“Maybe the real treasure was the friends we made along the way” is, generally, ironic shorthand for “worthless treasure”—but I’ve also found it to be true. That’s particularly the case for the time I spent at Google, where I met excellent folks like Bilawal Sidhu (a fellow PM veteran of the augmented reality group). I’m delighted that he’s now crushing it as the new host of the TED AI Show podcast.

Check out their episodes so far, including an interview with former OpenAI board member Helen Toner, who discusses the circumstances of firing Sam Altman last year before losing her board position.